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Paisley: Hey everybody, Paisley,
imperfect, and here I am, back

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again. I'm going to be up front
with you. Today's episode is a

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bit more for me than it is for
you.

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Just like anybody else with a
YouTube channel or podcast, I

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check my stats, right? I check
to see if I have new

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subscribers, I look at the stats
on the Facebook and Instagram

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posts to see what messages are
really resonating with the

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audience, what people like, what
they're looking for, those types

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of things.

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And the other day, I was getting
a little discouraged. I

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because it just doesn't seem
like my channel's growing very

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fast, right? So I was a little
disappointed I'm a marketer by

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trade. So and I had this thought
whispered into my head as I'm

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looking at my stats. I had this
thought whispered that, you

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know, how does it look that
you're a marketer? And you have

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so few followers and that your
channel is growing so slowly?

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And I mean, like I said, I'm a
marketer, I know how to tell

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people what they want to hear.

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So that thought kind of stung a
little bit. But then, as I was

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watching General Conference on
Sunday,

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sweet President Eyring addressed
my concerns perfectly,

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and what he said, I can't quote
what he said right now, because

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the written version of
conference isn't up yet as of

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the time that I'm recording
this,

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so I can't quote President
Eyring, but I did actually find

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this other talk from then elder
oaks, and he addressed it in his

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very

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bold and direct way, as only
elder or President oaks could

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Do. So it's from 1989

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pre social media. It's called
alternate voices. I'm not going

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to lie. It's a bit intense.

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In this talk, he addresses three
different types of voices that

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we hear.

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The first kind, he says, some
voices speak of the things of

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the world, providing useful
information we need to make our

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way in mortality. So in other
words, helpful voices that

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provide useful information for
us just to be able to make it

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through this life, right?

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They are helpful and useful, but
not necessarily critical to our

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eternal salvation.

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And then he he mentions

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a second type of voice that he
splits into two different

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categories, which is where the
three comes from. So he says

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voices that speak of God, of His
commandments and of the

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doctrines, ordinances and
practices of his church. And

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that group is split into two.
The first is those who have been

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called and given divine
authority to do so, so those who

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have been specifically called to
speak of God, of His

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commandments, of the doctrines,
ordinances and practices of the

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church, and what he calls the
second group, alternate voices,

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or the third group, alternate
voices, who speak on these

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subjects without calling or
authority. Now to be perfectly

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clear, I am fully aware that I
am in that third group. I

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have not been given a calling to
have a YouTube channel or a

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podcast or a Facebook page or an
Instagram page or anything

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that's not a calling. I have not
been called or given authority

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to speak on behalf of or for the
church. I do not do that. I

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speak on behalf of myself.

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I but I am an alternate voice.

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So as I'm sure you're aware,
there are 1000s of alternate

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voices out there, and elder oaks
categorizes us for you,

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and he breaks that down in
further into four different

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groups. Some alternate voices
are those of well, this is a

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quote. Some alternate voices are
those of well motivated men and

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women who are merely trying to
serve their brothers and sisters

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and further the cause of Zion,
their efforts fit within the

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Lord's teaching that his
servants should not have to be

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commanded in all things, but
should be anxiously engaged in a

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good cause and do many things of
their own free will and bring to

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pass much righteousness. He's
quoting Doctrine and Covenants.

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5827 there at the end too.

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I like to think that I fit in
that group. Well motivated, and

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I'll add well intentioned men
and women who I'm just trying to

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serve others.

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And help others

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find their Savior, perhaps see
see him more clearly without

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having been called to do so. And
honestly, I hope that if I stray

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from that, that one of you will
tell me, or that two of you, all

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of you will tell me that I have
strayed from that path. Please

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tell me. Here's the second
group, the next group that elder

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oaks, he says they are pursuing
selfish personal interests such

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as property, pride, prominence
or power. Now to me, those are

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the people who are likely well
intentioned, but they might be

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missing the mark just a little
bit. They're overly concerned

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with subscribers, influence and
income, and to be completely

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fair, there is a very gray fine
line in between those two, those

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two voices, the third one,
another group of voices, he

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explains, quote, are the
bleedings of Lost Souls who

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cannot hear the voice of the
shepherd and trot about trying

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to find their way without his
guidance. Some of these voices

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call out guidance for others,
the lost, leading the lost. In

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my opinion, this group is loud
and they're getting they're

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getting louder. This, my
opinion. I'm not trying to put

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words in 1989 President oaks his
mouth. This group of voices

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includes those who have left the
church claiming that they never

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felt anything or that the
culture was just too toxic. I

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want to be very careful here and
not be dismissive of their

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experiences. We've all
experienced different things

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relative to the to the culture
of the church. I lived in Utah

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for a couple of years, right out
of high school, going to

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college, and I had some really
negative experiences with two of

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the three wards that I was in
while I was up there. And had I

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not already had a pretty strong
foundation, it would have been

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shaking. I have seen some of
what these people have

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experienced, though I have not
experienced fully those same

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things, and so I want to
acknowledge it without being

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dismissive of it. President oaks
or elder oaks does a good job of

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like they are. Their voices.
They're loud ish. They're not

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quite as loud as the fourth
group, which we're going to get

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to in just a second. Anyway. I
just, I don't want to be

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dismissive of it, but they are,
in my own opinion, they can be

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lost and leading others who are
also lost, as he put it, the

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loss leading the lost. They
aren't necessarily, they aren't

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necessarily helpful, spite or,
I'm sorry, hateful. They aren't

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necessarily hateful, spiteful,
resentful or mean. They're just

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struggling, and they're trying
to find their way through it,

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and they're trying to find their
way through it vocally, which is

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how some of us need to do it,
myself included, again. So

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anyway, I'm gonna move on the
fourth group. Is that group, but

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taken to the extreme? So about
the last group? Elder oaks says

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some alternate voices are of
those whose avowed or secret

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object is to deceive and devour
the flock. The Good Shepherd

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warned Beware of false prophets
which come to you in sheep's

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clothing, but inwardly they are
ravening wolves. And he's

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quoting both Matthew 715, and
third, Nephi 1415, there. These

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are the ones that are obviously
out to hurt and destroy. Many of

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them believe that they are just
out to hurt and destroy the

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church. But you cannot hurt and
destroy a church that big

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without hurting and destroying
its members. You just can't so

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in their efforts to try and heal
from their own pain, perhaps, or

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maybe they just have some sort
of ingrown or taught hatred

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towards the church of Jesus
Christ, of Latter Day Saints.

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These are the voices that he
talks about being avowed or

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secret. Who's avowed or secret
object is to deceive and devour

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the flock. Now, again, the lines
between some of these groups

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gets rather blurred. Some are
wider than others, some are

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grayer than others, and some are
really, really blurry. We're.

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Right?

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Honestly, I find myself getting
stuck in that gray space between

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groups number one and groups
number two. What is my purpose?

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Am I here to gain followers?
That's not that was not my

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original intention. I try to
help, and I sincerely, my

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efforts are sincerely trying to
help further the cause of Zion.

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Okay, now, because these lines
are so blurred, and because

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there are so many 1000s of
voices out there, how do we know

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which ones to listen to? Or how
do we know which ones are okay

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to listen to? And of course,
elder oaks addresses this too.

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The first thing he does is he
assures us that things that are

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published by or endorsed by the
church are okay. And he puts it

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like this quote, we have
procedures to ensure approved

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content for materials published
in the name of the church or

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used for instructions in its
classes. These procedures can be

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somewhat slow and cumbersome,
but they have an important

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benefit. They provide a
spiritual quality control that

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allows members to rely on the
truth of what is said. Members

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who listen to the voice of the
church need not be on guard

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against being misled. They have
no such assurance for what they

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hear from alternate voices. So
if it comes out from the church,

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know that it has gone through a
rigorous approval process. I

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realize, again, this was 1989
along Long time ago, but the

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approval process hasn't changed.
It may have been quickened, and

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there may be some technology
that has, excuse me, been

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adapted, or that the process has
been adapted to include to make

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it go a little bit faster, but
in general, stuff that is

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published by the church we can
trust for things that are not

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officially published by the
church. How do we know what we

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can trust? He said this quote,
as Latter Day Saints consider

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their personal relationship to
various alternate voices, they

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will be helped by considering
the ways we acquire knowledge,

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especially knowledge of sacred
things. I'm going to pause right

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here for just a second. I did
not originally add this quote

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into my notes, but I'm and I'm I
don't have the quote up in front

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of me, but he does talk about
how the church does not tell the

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members you can't listen to
other voices. You cannot you

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can't be an alternate voice, or
you can't listen to an alternate

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voice. The Church does not do
that. We talked about being an

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alternate voice up above, right?
We talked about how there are

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those of us who are not called
to do this, but we do it because

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we have a sincere desire and
pure intent to help further the

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cause of Zion, to help push the
gospel out to the entire world.

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So being one of those voices and
listening to those voices is

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okay, as long as you know how to
distinguish between truth and

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not truth. Okay, and he's
telling us how to do that,

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considering the ways we acquire
knowledge, especially knowledge

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of sacred things. In modern
Revelation, the Lord has told us

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to seek learning by study and
also by faith that comes from

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Doctrine and Covenants. 109,
verse seven, he continues. We

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seek learning by studying the
accumulated wisdom of various

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disciplines and by using the
powers of reasoning placed in us

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by our Creator. So we read
things and then we reason those

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things. He continues. We should
also seek learning by faith in

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God, the giver of Revelation, I
believe that many of the great

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discoveries and achievements in
science and the arts have

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resulted from a God given
revelation. Seekers who have

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paid the price in perspiration
have been magnified by

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inspiration. Now remember, too
when we talked about inspiration

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before members of the Church of
Jesus Christ of Latter Day,

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saints, we are not the only
people who are entitled to

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Revelation, personal revelation.
And so he's talking about this

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right here, right Heavenly
Father is the giver of

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Revelation, and people who put
in the time through perspiration

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are magnified by inspiration. So
seek learning by study and also

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by faith. This is how we can
begin to discern the voices that

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we should listen to versus the
voices that we shouldn't. He

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gives a little bit more on this.
The correct relationship between

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study and faith is. In the
receipt of sacred knowledge is

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illustrated in Oliver cowdery's
attempt to translate ancient

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records, and he quotes a little
bit from Doctrine and Covenants

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section nine, Oliver failed
because he took no thought, but

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only asked God. The Lord told
him he should have studied it

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out in his mind, and then asked
if it was right, only then would

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the Lord reveal whether the
translation was correct or not,

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and only on receiving that
revelation could the text be

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written, because you cannot
write that which is sacred, save

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it be given you from me in the
acquisition of sacred knowledge,

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scholarship and reason are not
alternatives to Revelation. They

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are a means to an end, and the
end is revelation from God. So

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in other words, we study it out
in scholarly ways, books,

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trustworthy, online, resources,
things like that. Then we mull

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it over in our minds and in our
hearts, and we pay attention to

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how it makes us feel. That's
key, and then when we know how

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it makes us feel, we ask God if
that feeling is correct. So we

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trust our feelings and verify
with our Father in heaven that

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what we think and feel is
accurate and in accordance with

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His teachings. Now that process
is available to everybody, not

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just us as baptized members of
the Church of Jesus Christ, of

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Latter Day Saints, that process
is available to everybody. And

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it's available for everything
that we do in our life, our

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professional life, our personal
life, our spiritual life. That

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process is available in all
aspects of our lives. Now that

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process can also sound like it's
going to take forever, right?

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Study the books, study the other
books. Think about it, mull it

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over, then go ask. But that's
not necessarily the case if

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you're trying to learn something
new. If you're trying to learn

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something that you've never
learned before. Sure, it's going

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to take some extra time, but in
some cases, we will have already

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done a lot of the studying, so
we'll be able to fall back on

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our foundation and the things
that we've already learned and

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know to be true. So we may
already know how the Holy Ghost

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speaks to us, and if we already
know how the Holy Ghost speaks

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to us, then we kind of know what
we're listening for or what

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we're looking for in response to
the questions that we're asking

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that can help save some time,
right? If you're asking a

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question about if you're asking
a question about a temple

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ordinance in your prayers, and
you've been attending the temple

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every week for a year, you're
probably going to get the answer

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pretty quickly. It may only take
a couple of seconds to go

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through that entire process, but
if you're learning something

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new, it's going to take some
time, and there's nothing wrong

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with taking time. Okay, so elder
oaks closes with this last bit,

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which I loved reading back in
1989 and this, it doesn't

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exactly fit with what I'm
talking about, but I can't not

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put it in here, because back in
1989 he was looking forward to

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it, and I feel like now he's
actually living it. So this is

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what he says. He says, I long
for the day, prophesied by

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Isaiah, when the earth shall be
full of the knowledge of the

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Lord. In an inspired utterance,
the Prophet Joseph Smith

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described the Lord's pouring
down knowledge from heaven upon

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the heads of the Latter Day
Saints. This will not happen for

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those whose hearts are set so
much upon the things of this

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world and aspire to the honors
of men. Those who fail to learn

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and use principles of
righteousness will be left to

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themselves to kick against those
in authority, to persecute the

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saints and to fight against God.
In contrast, the Lord makes this

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great promise to the faithful,
and then he quotes Doctrine and

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Covenants. Section 121, verses
45 and 46 and that says, The

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doctrine of the priesthood shall
distill upon thy soul as the

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dews from heaven. The Holy Ghost
shall be thy constant companion

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and thy scepter in an unchanging
in sorry and thy scepter, and

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unchanging scepter of
righteousness and truth and thy

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dominion shall be an everlasting
dominion, and without compulsory

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means, it shall flow unto thee
forever and ever. So in 1989 he

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was looking forward to the
pouring down of knowledge from

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heaven upon the heads of the
Latter Day Saints. And I feel

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like that's happening right now.
There is so much information

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coming at us from all different
angles, and we get to choose. We

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get to choose what information
we're going to listen to, what

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information we're going to
share. We get to choose also,

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I'm not sure if you actually got
to hear President Eyring. Talk

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during Sunday morning session,
or elder cooks during Saturday

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afternoon. But they were
extremely applicable, so I would

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recommend that you go check
those out too. I will link them

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in the description if they're up
by the time I post this. If not,

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you'll just have to go search.
Sorry. Okay, before we close up

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this episode, though. I also
want to point out one more thing

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I I can't talk about voices
without talking about President

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Kimball and President Nelson
right. Voices was one of the

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things on our list. It was on it
was one of the things on the

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list that President Kimball and
President Nelson shared. El an

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elder Oaks is not suggesting
that we silently obey. In fact,

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I think he's telling us what
kinds of voices we have, and

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he's telling us Sure. He's
telling us what voices to listen

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to or to watch out for, but he's
also telling us what voices to

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be careful of becoming we need
to make sure that our voice is

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the right kind of voice, that
one that will not drag others

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down or through the same mess
that we've had to endure,

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anything that you have been
through that has been difficult.

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One of the most difficult things
for me, I know I've mentioned

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this before, was my journey
through infertility. That was

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one of the most difficult things
in my life. I do not wish for

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anyone else to have to go
through that. So my message

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about going through infertility
as a member of the Church of

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Jesus Christ, of Latter Day
Saints, I try to keep that

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message uplifting and hopeful,
rather than grabbing a whole

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bunch of other people who have
also struggled with infertility

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and trying to turn it against
the church and make it ugly and

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mean we have to be careful of
the voices that we share. We can

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be the change that we want to
see in the world. But the only

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thing that comes from the only
thing that comes from pushing

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against God, is more hurt and
more anger. It does not bring

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healing. Only the Savior can
bring healing Anyway, okay, be a

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good voice. Keep learning, keep
growing, keep speaking up, or

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start speaking up and be of good
cheer. Our Savior loves you.

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Thanks, everybody until next
time you.