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Paisley: Hey everybody, welcome
back Paisley imperfect here. And

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today, we are going to talk
about families some more kind of

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a larger, more eternal scale.
And I feel like I should tell

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you how I got to this talk. Got
to the one that I ended up

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choosing for today. A few
episodes ago, we were talking

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about a different talk by Elder
Rasband called do justly love

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mercy. Oh, my goodness, do
justly love mercy and walk

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humbly with God. The love mercy
part has been stuck in my brain

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ever since. And if you've been
hanging around with me long

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enough, you know that if
something gets stuck in my

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brain, I gotta get it out. I
gotta talk about it. I gotta, I

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gotta get it out. So that is the
next little rabbit hole that I

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headed down. And I did just a
quick search, actually on the

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church's website for just the
phrase love mercy and this talk

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from President oaks popped up.
It's from 2009 so he was elder

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Oaks at the time. I may switch
back and forth because, I mean,

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I do that anyway, but just a
heads up, but I actually

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remember this talk, and I'll
tell you why I remembered it.

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It's called, it's called Love
and law. And based on the

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information that YouTube gives
me on my demographic info, most

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of the people who watch the
videos are my age or older, and

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here in the United States. So
you may remember, back in 2008

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there was some legislation in
California, Prop Eight about

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same sex marriage, trying to
legalize same sex marriage in

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California, it was going on the
ballot in 2008 and this was the

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first time, and really the only
time in my memorable life that

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the church asked us to pick what
they considered to be the right

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side of that issue. And if you
were living in California, they

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wanted us to do more than just
vote, which again, the first and

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only time this has ever happened
in my life. So we weren't just

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asked to vote yes on prop eight,
we were asked to put signs in

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our yards, stand on street
corners with signs and like,

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actually take time off of work
and dedicate our time and effort

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into getting the vote out to
vote yes for Prop Eight. To say

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that I was uncomfortable doing
that is an understatement, but I

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did take a couple days off, and
I did what I was what I was

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asked to do. It was
uncomfortable. I can't tell you

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how many burritos were thrown at
me standing on the street

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corner, how many people honked
and threw their drinks out the

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window. It was not a fun
experience, and this talk from

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elder oaks was almost a year
later. Well, exactly a year

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later, excuse me. And he
explained why I did what I did

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in a way that I couldn't
articulate at the time. So and

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obviously I'm going to share
talks, talks. I'm going to share

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quotes from his talk, just like
I always do, but I want to start

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with a simplification of the
overall message first. And you

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know how I am? If you've been
hanging around for a while, you

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know how I am, I tend to
oversimplify things, because

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that's say that things make
sense for me. So I hope that I'm

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not too oversimplifying it, but
I also feel like we need to make

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this relatable. So to start
with, as members of the Church

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of Jesus Christ, of Latter Day
Saints, we believe that we are

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literal sons and daughters of
God. He is our heavenly Father.

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It's not just another name. We
actually believe he is our

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Father who lives in heaven, our
heavenly Father, our Father in

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heaven. We and together, we are
one giant family. In my opinion,

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the 10 to 20% of our brain,
depending on who you ask these

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days, that we actually use
cannot fully comprehend what

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that means. So some of it, we
just have to take on faith. We

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have to take on faith that there
is a God for some of us, some of

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us have to take on faith that
there is a God and that we are

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his literal sons and daughters.
I. But I'm digressing just a

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little bit. Let's simplify so we
are God's children, the same way

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that our children are our
children, and as parents, within

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our homes, within our families,
we have rules. I don't know what

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those rules look like for you,
and I'm not here to tell you

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what rules you should make in
your house or have for your

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family. That's not my job. I
will tell you that one of our

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house rules is that you eat your
dinner, and if there's dessert

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afterwards, you get some, but
only if you ate all of your

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dinner. Now there's a sister
rule to this, no snacks after

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two because every single time my
girls eat something after two

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o'clock, they have a really hard
time eating their dinner. And if

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we have dessert, it's something
I know they're really going to

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like, or something that they've
never tried, that I think

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they're really going to like. So
I buy this yummy dessert, or I

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make this yummy dessert. And I
mean, frankly, sometimes it's

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just a really yummy mango, or in
the summertime, some really ripe

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watermelon or something really
tasty that we have for dessert.

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If we have dessert, it's not an
every night thing. So before you

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start judging me, just know a
lot of times it's fruit. I'm

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digressing again. So I buy the
dessert, or I make the dessert

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that I really believe that my
kids will just love, and in

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order for them to get it, we all
know they have to eat their

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dinner. So don't eat a snack
after two o'clock, because then

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you won't eat your dinner and
you won't get the cmmy dessert.

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So there's a process, there's a
there's this whole thing in

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mind, because I know they're
gonna love this, and I got it

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for them because I love them,
and I know that they're gonna

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love it, right? So as parents,
we create these rules, and we

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create them based on our own
experiences, things that we've

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read, things we've been through,
and we create them with the hope

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that someday our kids will be
able to have what we have and

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more. Most of us want for our
kids to be able to have more

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than what we have, and as grown
ups, some of us are want to be

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grown ups. As grown ups, we our
vision is broader. We see a

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bigger picture than they do, and
we know that if they if they

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don't eat their meat and
vegetables for dinner, all they

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eat is the sugar, then they're
going to turn into very

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unhealthy and very unhappy
adults. So we we put these rules

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in place because we love our
kids and we want what's best for

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them. And if I let my seven year
old, or if I let one of my five

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year olds pick dinner, we would
just have dessert for dinner

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every night. We would have ice
cream all the time. We can't do

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that. We again. We do this
because we love them and we want

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everything in the world for
them, right? Sometimes we have

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to say no, because we know that
what they're asking for, what

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they want, what they're wishing
for, what they're hoping for. We

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have to say no because they
didn't follow the rule, or

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because we know that it's
unhealthy for them, or because

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we can see what's going to
happen next, because maybe we've

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been through that before, and so
we just we do our best to create

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rules laws in our own home and
within our own family, so that

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we can help them get to their
best life. Our heavenly Father

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is no different. He has rules
too, and he put those rules into

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place before we ever even came
here. And he put those rules

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into place because he wants that
yummy dessert for us, and that

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yummy dessert for us is eternal
life, which is to live with our

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family forever, to live with the
people that we love, the people

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that we cherish, forever and
ever and ever, to be back with

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our Father in Heaven again, and
to have all that he has. So he's

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got this yummy dessert for us,
and he's created these rules

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that we have to follow to be
able to get to this yummy

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dessert. So just like I make my
kids eat their veggies and their

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meat or whatever it is that I
make for dinner before they can

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have the sweet, sugary dessert
that I know that they will love,

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our father does the same with
us, except that instead of the

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sugary treat, we're talking
eternal life. Right? We have to

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follow the rules to get to the
sugar retreat. But

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there's also this thing called
agency. An agency makes it so

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that we have to do more than
just follow the rules. We need

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to choose to follow the rules,
and both you and I, we are free

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to choose not to follow the
rules. My girls have this habit

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of asking me when we sit down to
dinner and they look at what

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I've made, if they don't think
they're going to like it,

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they'll say, Mom, are we having
dessert tonight? Because they

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know that if they don't have
dessert, if there's nothing,

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there's no incentive, maybe they
don't want to eat that dinner.

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We've had to get creative with
our responses, but I bring that

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up to be to try and make it
clear that you and I are free to

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choose to not have dessert.
Heavenly Father is not going to

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take away your agency. You can
choose to not have dessert, and

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you can choose to say no thank
you when the dessert is placed

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in front of you. Or you can
choose to say, I'm going to pass

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on that because I don't like
this rule. I don't like dinner

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enough, but I'm gonna go ahead
and pass on the dessert too, and

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my girls will do that sometimes.
Okay, here's a quote from from

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elder then elder oaks in that
talk, he said Every parent knows

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that you can love a child
totally and completely while

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still being creatively angry and
disappointed at that child's

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self defeating behavior. So one
of my three girls refuses to

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even try new food. Every once in
a while, she'll forget that this

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is her thing, and she'll
accidentally try something and

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usually like it. Just last
night, actually, we were having

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leftovers, and there were some
leftover chow mein in the

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fridge, and so I had some on my
plate, and she looked at it, and

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she was like, Ooh, those
noodles, mom, they smell really

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good. I want some of your
noodles. And I was like, Well,

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that's nice. And she said, can I
please have some of your

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noodles? So I picked up a
noodle, and I put it on her

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plate, and she kind of, she's
also my super sarcastic girl.

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She's like, what one noodle? And
I said, Try that one first, and

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if you like that one, I'll give
you some more. And she wasn't

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even thinking about it. And put
it in her mouth, it did not

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occur to her that she had never
tried it before, because up

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until this point, she had
refused to try it. She just

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wanted to have the same fried
rice every time. So she puts

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this piece of she puts this chow
mein noodle in her mouth. She's

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five, almost six, and I just
kind of looked at her, and she

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chewed it up, she swallowed it,
and she goes, Mom, why have you

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never let me try chow mein
before? That's yummy. And like I

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said, her sarcasm level is like
a level 10. And so I just kind

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of looked at her like, Excuse
me, and she just busted up

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laughing. And now all of a
sudden, she just loves chow

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mein. I knew that she would have
loved it a long time ago, but

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she wouldn't try it. She has her
agency to not try chow mein and

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eat her fried rice. We have
agency to choose not to follow

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the rules. If we don't want to,
that's fine. You don't have to.

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I mean, it's not fine. It's only
not fine. From from a parent's

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perspective, how sad does it
make you when your kids choose

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not to follow the rules, when
you know they're gonna love that

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yummy treat anyway? Okay? So to
continue with elder oaks. The

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love of God is so universal that
his perfect plan bestows many

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gifts on all of his children,
even those who disobey His laws.

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Okay, so let me back up just a
second. Her choosing not to like

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chow mein, or her choosing not
to taste chow mein does not make

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me like. Love her any less I
still love her. I am kind of

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disappointed that my kids didn't
finish their dinner tonight so

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they couldn't have dessert, but
it doesn't make me love them any

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less. I still love them just as
much as I do all of the time,

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and our Heavenly Father is the
same. So that quote from elder

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oaks, again, the love of God is
so universal that his perfect

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plan bestows many gifts on all
of his children, even those who

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disobey his loss. And he gives a
couple of examples. So these are

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blessings that are given to
everybody, no matter what this

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is the this is the dinner part,
right? Dinner is a blessing.

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They get dinner every night.
Excuse me, we just finished

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dinner, so I'm hiccuping a
little bit. They get dinner

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every night. That's a blessing.
They get it whether they want it

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or not, while not everybody will
get the dessert. Everybody does

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get the dinner back to the
quote, mortality is one such

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gift bestowed on all who
qualified in the war in heaven.

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Another unconditional gift is
the universe universal

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resurrection. Many other mortal
gifts are not tied to our

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personal obedience to law. As
Jesus taught, our heavenly

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Father, maketh his son to rise
on the evil and on the good and

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send a rain on the just and on
the unjust, quoting Matthew 545,

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so some blessings, some gifts,
are just given. They're not

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something that we have to earn.
But there are others that are

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not just handed over. Those are
the ones that we have to earn,

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and we earn those by following
the rules, God's rules, and this

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is when our agency comes in. So
elder oaks, he quotes Doctrine

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and Covenants. Section 130,
verses, 20 through 21 it says

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there is a law irrevocably
decreed in heaven before the

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foundations of this world, upon
which all blessings are

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predicated. So before I go on, I
need to point something out. The

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law was made in heaven before
the foundations of this world. I

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mentioned that a little bit
earlier, our existence on this

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planet is proof that we chose to
follow the law, and that that's

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going to come up again in a
little bit. So back to the

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Scripture. There is a law
irrevocably decreed in heaven

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before the foundations of this
world, upon which all blessings

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are predicated. And when we obey
any or sorry, when we obtain any

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blessing from God, it is by
obedience to that law upon which

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it is predicated. So there are
some blessings that we only get

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if we follow the associated law.
Then President oaks says this

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great principle helps us
understand the why of many

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things like justice and mercy
balanced by the atonement. It

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also explains why God will not
forestall the exercise of agency

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by his children. Agency, our
power to choose, is fundamental

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to the gospel plan that brings
us to earth. God does not

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intervene to forestall the
consequences of some persons

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choices in order to protect the
well being of other persons,

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even when they kill, injure or
oppress one another, for this

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would destroy his plan for our
eternal progress, He will bless

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us, to endure the consequences
of others choices, but he will

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not prevent those choice those
choices. So again, you do not

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have to choose dessert. The
people around you do not have to

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choose dessert. If you don't
like the dessert, you don't have

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to finish your dinner. Or you
can choose to finish your dinner

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and still say no thank you to
dessert, that choice is yours.

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Your choice will likely affect
other people. We've talked about

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that before too our choices we
don't make our choices in a

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vacuum. We are surrounded by
people who love us, and our

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choices affect others. Period,
whether you like it or not, our

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choices affect other people.
Here's the part that the world,

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in my opinion, is confused
about. So do you remember what

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we read about in Doctrine and
Covenants, that the law was

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created before the world was
remember that rule that the kids

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have to eat dinner before their
dessert? Well, my kids are free

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to think that that rule is dumb,
and they do that's their choice.

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What is not their choice is the
rule itself. They can tell me

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it's dumb, but I've been around
a lot longer than they have, and

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I know a lot more than they do.
I know enough to know that

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eating ice cream and cookies and
candy all day every day, will

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not only make you sick, but
repeatedly, you're gonna end up

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obese with type two diabetes and
heart problems. They are seven,

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five and five. They don't know
that. Again, they can tell me

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that the rule is dumb, and I
will listen and President oaks

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remember how he put it, I will
still love them totally and

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completely, while being
creatively annoyed and

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disappointed at their self
defeating behavior. I still love

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them when they break the rules,
when they tell me the rules are

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dumb, I still love them. God
still loves us. When we tell him

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that his rules are dumb, and
when we say no, thank you to

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dessert. By breaking the rules,
he still loves us. The Love

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doesn't go anywhere. Here's my
favorite quote from that talk.

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It

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happens to be. The little blurb
at the very top, it says, The

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love of God does not supersede
His laws and His commandments,

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and the effect of God's laws and
commandments does not diminish

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the purpose and effect of His
love. I created the Eat your

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dinner rule because I love my
girls and I want for them to

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live long, happy lives in the
best way possible. The

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consequences. I created that
rule because I love them. I gave

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them the consequences because I
also love them. You don't get

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the sugar without the healthy
that's the consequence. And I

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don't love them any less for
hating on the rule. I still love

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them. I also don't hate them any
less for not accepting the

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dessert I still love them. And
listen, I know we could go down

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a million different rabbit
holes, because there are 1000s

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upon 1000s about what about
this, what about this? There are

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hundreds of those things, 1000s
that we could talk about. What

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about this situation? Or what
about this scenario? I'm not

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going to do that. Please go read
elder oaks talk because he does

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give some examples, and he gives
some very he gives some examples

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that are probably better than
the Eat your dinner example that

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I shared. So please go read his
whole talk. I'll make sure that

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it's linked. But in its simplest
form, though, I believe it's

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just that rules and consequences
were created out of love to get

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us to the sweet treat at the
end. We are the children in this

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scenario, and we don't make the
rules, we don't make the rules,

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and we don't have the authority
to change them, and it doesn't

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matter how many people we get on
our side, we don't get to change

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the rules. His vision is bigger
and broader than ours is he

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knows more than we do. Sometimes
we just have to trust but we

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don't get to change the rules.
We don't get to tell him how

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things are going to be. That
rule is already created, and we

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can fight against it. We have
our agency to do that. We can

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fight against those rules, but
it's not going to earn us that

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sweet treat in the end. Doesn't
make it any easier. I'm not

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saying that it's easy. It is
simple. In my opinion, it is

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simple and straightforward, and
that's a little bit of a heavy

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one for today, but it's okay. We
can handle heavy stuff, right?

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Thank you for being here with me
again today. Keep learning, keep

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growing, keep trying, and be of
good cheer. Thank you so much,

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everybody. Until next time you.

